Darth Hater

You know.... If Swtor is looking to increase sales and revenue why not just add a expansion to this game via another CD package? 20 more planets, new looks for chars, higher skill tree, levels 51 through 100 expanded, new story and space missions, new ops and multiple new flash points. Naturally all compatible and interactive with what we have now so we can really show off to everyone else... But they took it the easy way with this Cartel System and they seem to be squeezing everything they can get out of our comps and their current servers till it all blows up on them.

The only thing I like from the 1.5 update was the HK quest and the new rules put in place to term accounts if caught hacking the bit pipeline. Outside of that it was a total waste, they have not updated any of the story as of yet, no new real missions, no new FP HM's and certainly no level upgrades as of yet.

Now yes, in the SWTOR defense new content is on the way and coming to us all soon !!!! WOW, and YAY !!! Guess what .? It's been almost 12 months since the release of the game... So how many new levels are we going up after waiting 12 months to see an EOC expansion? 5 Levels, Five what? I've waited 12 months for this!!! How about 50 level expansion well that would have been really nice to see but NO it's only 5 levels more.

Are we going to ditch our Dread gear for some really cool looking level 55 Mods now? LMAO It's a disappointment so far. The game is great and certainly has potential to do and make more money than they can imagine but they need to hire people to fix past mistakes, present errors and future ones, while new content comes out. Bioware nor EA can expect this game to continue forward or make another year with a 5 level expansion, no game will survive that. Despite it being fun and all people want more and we are not getting it and soon people will begin to look else where for " more"

I understand the game is very complex and things are said a lot faster then they are done. However the general public might wait 12 months for 50 levels of expansion as it seems to take them a while to work glitches out already. But to wait 12 months for 5 levels, if this is what we can expect people will leave.

You don't seem to have any idea of just how *expensive* content creation is. An expansion that has "20 more planets, new looks for chars, higher skill tree, levels 51 through 100 expanded, new story and space missions, new ops and multiple new flash points" would take as long as the development of the original game. You're talking about an expansion that would take four to six years, not 12 months.

Hell, Blizzard can barely put out an expansion to Wow in two years with all their experience and money. Bioware is certainly not in the same ballpark with their MMO experience currently. Depending on how the F2P conversion goes, I don't expect to see any expansion for two to three years. Ongoing content, yes, but an expansion with all the box features that would require, no so much.

am not going to play swtor anymore after my subscription end,neither my friends just like we left wow cause blizzard ruined everything with cataclysm and pandas,now EA is ruining swtor.this game deserves better but the ideas nowadays are how to make more and more money not how to make a good game,a COMPLETE game...that thing with the cartel coins sucks more than pandas

and the whole idea that is "free" is just for laughs :/

LOL

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am not going to play swtor anymore after my subscription end,neither my friends just like we left wow cause blizzard ruined everything with cataclysm and pandas,now EA is ruining swtor.this game deserves better but the ideas nowadays are how to make more and more money not how to make a good game,a COMPLETE game...that thing with the cartel coins sucks more than pandas

Ea is public company  thier Only goal is  Money. Two they dont care if  a game is compete or isnt  If it will make them  X million in 3rd quarter they will.  And while Cata  was a  blow that stumble the gaint  Panadas aint that bad. Srry there  not the  Hello kitty Nation that We'll be getting "In the future" and  with probly have to pay for them too.  To judge  wow just on panadas  is like judging Swtor on Cat people Facts is  you use a cuter races  Soo you can do horrible  and terrible things to them and have it not be gloomy. I'm looking at you Wall-e and Cars 2. However i think  Swtor will not surive for  an extended run. There a die hard  group  that love the game  and will support it. there a group that only have this After SWG closed and there a much larger group that are getting  a subpar F2p  experence  when they come here.

Bioware and EA  seem to think there a massive uneducated gamer group that out there in the  mist. That  have  No  idea What F2p mean or what it means when it's done right. Am okay idea if  your the 1st to the party  but Swtor Is the Drunken girl walkin into the party 5 yrs late. With Game like LOL,DCO, WOT STO here  and played for long times and shorter times. We are an educated gamer Culture. Fact is  if you didnt wanna spend $15 a month  your certainly not going to want to  spend $30 to  "Access to Artifact Equipment" or$15Guild Bank Access (Assuming your guild has one.)<<<< that makes me  giggle a little.    

Normally F2P models are "Try our game maybe buy some things from the cash shop or if you really like it then sub."

This model is based on "If you want more than solely the 1-50 levelling experiences, you may as well sub."

If they make subs so attractive they're a no-brainer then it's almost as if the real goal lay elsewhere...

You know what is laughable ?

Their "generous" offer for previous subsrcibers. I was a subscriber for 8 months ? What am I getting ?

Enough cartel coins to unlock (account wide):

- hide head slot

- display titles

And.... THAT'S IT. o_O

Really Bioware ? Really ?

Sorry the free stuff they're offering you isn't enough free stuff, I guess?

How exactly is it FREE if I have to pay a subscription only to get the "free" cartel points ?

/facepalm

sub'ed from the start with DDE and walking into 1.5 with 2050 CC. Things like titles, head slot, etc are all covered by my sub all of those free coins go straight to cosmetics.

If you subbed before and are looking to go free to play there after... you have to expect to pay for things.

If I subbed before and spent 150+ USD on this game, I kind of expect to be able to toggle my freaking helmet off OR display my "Founder" title (rofl) without having to pay another 10 USD for it. Pretty simple.

Their F2P model is absolutely terrible. If you compare it to say Guild Wars 2, it's downright laughable how restrictive and nickle and dimey BW/EA's model is.

Has anybody mentioned QUICKSLOTS ? :D

Also... Why would I pay a sub if the game is still unplayable on my dual GPU's ? They introduced a bug in 1.4 that still has not been fixed, rendering the game unplayable for people with quite high-end rigs (massive stuttering, etc, etc).

Just thought I'd add seen as it seems to be wrong the 2 quickslot bars you pay for from my understanding was bar 5 and bar 6 so not bar 3 and 4 as this article suggests and for f2p you don't need extra bars so no need to unlock these.

So. F2P-Players will have ugly dressed chars, with ugly dressed companions, always wearing their ugly helmets!?

Great for subscribers. Welcome to your new motley Star Wars universe!?

I think there people are not critical enough about these restrictions.

Why would anyone pay for only 10 more GTN sale slots?

And why give a defined amount of a perk a low value of money such as the black market kiosk GTN which is 5 million and now is for 9 bucks. So they are saying 5 million is worth around 10 bucks? I dont like how that transalates. Since other items in the market which are only bought by credits such as the new WH weapon which can be sold/buoght is for 6 million around. However, there is no way to pay BW for credits, or use real money to buy the pvp item. So therefore the giving up of the GTN for money is a slap to the face for those who earned with a lot of time to earn those credits and then not allow them the same benefit extended to others who can simply buy it with an hours work in real life (making 5 million takes a lot longer than 1 hour) but not be able to buy other goods.

They essentially gave away a 'non-essential'  not pay to win item which added to a end game goal for little effort when it took a lot of effort but not extend the same courtesy to those who are willing to pay real dollars for credits or items instead of making credits to buy items for every alt which makes it a near impossible chore.

So I am not arguiing that they should sell credits, or even allow for real money in the market... but if they are going to give the black market kiosk GTN for real money then they should do the same for other end game items. Its only becuase they messed up by giving that up for real money that I feel they should do the same for other parts of their game.