DevTracker Highlights For The Week of November 10, 2011



This week's DevTracker Highlights are like the main course of a full-course meal; small in comparison, but full of meaty goodness. Principal Lead Combat Designer Georg Zoeller talks about different classes going head to head in PvP combat, and illustrates how each class brings their own flavor to the battle. Community Coordinator Allison Berryman lets players know that despite what they may have heard, Star Wars: The Old Republic will not require Origin in any fashion. Hit the jump to dig in and see all the highlights.
Georg Zoeller contrasts a Jedi Knight and Imperial Agent, pointing out strengths and weaknesses in their ability to command the battlefield.

Georg Zoeller
A Warrior can still Force Leap onto a Sniper in cover right when they get within 30 yards but it does not have the same effect as players who are not in cover? I mean a Warrior should still be able to leap to close distance but the stuns etc that might follow may not be effective since the Sniper is in cover?

It would not be like the Sniper being in cover has some incredible ability to prevent the Warrior from leaping towards him, but a Sniper being fortified in cover would not suffer the same penalty as another type of toon being lept on who did not have cover?.

A Sniper being in cover should not have the ability to completely block a force leap. Protected from the after affects of the force leap sure, but to stymie it completely seems off. How could the Sniper in cover block the distant actions of a Warrior ability on a passive basis? Otherwise a Warrior is left having to run 35m to engage a Sniper? How is that balanced?
It's much worse than you think.

No, a Sniper in cover cannot be charged with Force Leap. Yes, your warrior will have to move into melee range to engage the Sniper (or use ranged abilities like saber throw).

Marksman specced snipers specifically are a very defensive class.

You rarely see them leading the charge onto an objective, but they are masters of area denial. It's not just that you have to bridge 35 meters to them, with them getting the alpha strike. They got tools that will temporarily root you (Leg Shot), the force of impact from their Ambush ability pushes close range enemies back and their cover generator is fitted with the a pulse detonator that pushes attackers out of melee range (Cover Pulse). They can also become faster and faster the more they hit you (Sniper Volley). And did I mention that they can call down a powerful orbital satellite strike to protect the area around them?

You really don't want to charge these guys head on. Just like what I said about a Sage going into close range combat with a Melee DPS class, charging a good sniper head on alone will likely result in you dead on the ground and the Sniper mildly irritated.

How is it balanced? Carefully... We force you to be smart about moving into the area protected by these guys. If you're not smart about it and think you can charge into the fray, that's the wrong class to try that on. Their weakness is the fact that their most powerful abilities require them to be entirely static, that they have little ability to kite or establish range against a close range attacker.

You want to sneak up on them, distract them or eject them from cover (there's a very limited number of abilities that can do that), utilize environmental features to avoid line of sight, hit them with long range DOTs and wear them down, or gang up on them. If you manage to catch them close range without having lost too much of your health, they are in a lot of trouble and without Stealth generator or any kind of active escape ability, they are likely dead.


Georg Zoeller covers the range of playstyles available for the Imperial Agent and Smuggler.

Georg Zoeller
Aren't IA's also set up with close combat melee moves? Its seems like an awesome class for pvp....It depends on your Advanced Class and Spec. Imperial Agent offers a very wide variety of different playstyles, from very long range tactical gameplay (Sniper) to mobile mid range explosive specialist (Engineer/Sniper) to Stealth capable healer (Scoundrel) to melee knife-and-fist stealth brawler.


Georg Zoeller examines how classes clash in PvP and how each one brings something different.

Georg Zoeller
Two people can EASILY take down an IA. Long cast times and CC limited to one person mean that one person can get CCd while another runs up and melees them to death.This is pretty much true for any class assuming all involved are of equal skill level.

Some classes might have better ability to flee than others, but such is life. If all classes were the same in their capabilities, things would be terribly boring. 3 equally skilled players going 2:1 should always result with the 2 players winning in my book.

And you are correct, a stealth characters are probably your worst enemy as a sniper. Take a scoundrel: They have stealth, have absolutely devastating close range moves and have the ability to eject you from cover and prevent you from reentering it for a short time.

When they get close to you, you are going to go through a lot of hurt if you are alone. Time to hit that stun grenade in their face, legshot them or use that vibro knife attack to stun them and run like hell.

Shadows are painful too, their forcespeed makes it almost impossible to lose them once they are on you.

Which brings me to another point: Snipers are also not great as lone wolf players, as they lack mobility needed for guerrilla style gameplay. They are very much group characters that get their full potential from quickly picking off those engaged with others on their team, using their defensive setup to protect the healer or deploying their defense screen around your groups position, securing that objective.

If you have dreams about moving behind enemy lines, alone, picking off lonely targets, that's doubtful. People can and will use chat in the game and even if you find a lone player to kill, they'll be back with friends and as a sniper without backup, things will go dire at that point.

As mentioned several times before, Sniper, especially with the Marksman spec has a very unique playstyle not found in most other games. When you get the hang of it, you can be a very devastating weapon in your factions arsenal and a crucial element in warzones.

However, we're under no illusions about the class being something everyone will just pick up. People that prefer mobility and fighting in the heat of the battle will find other specs much more to their liking.


Allison Berryman reminds players that Origin will not be necessary to download, patch, or play Star Wars: The Old Republic.

Allison Berryman
Hi everyone! We've seen some continuing confusion over this topic. Some of you have quoted text that appears on the Pre-Order Page that indicates you'll need to install Origin software to download the game. We are working to update the information on that page: you will not be required to install the Origin software in order to download, patch, or play the game (even during Early Game Access). You'll do that through our own site and launcher.

Comments

  • #11 hooby
    @DarthKaiser:

    Click here:
    http://www.ea.com/1/product-eulas

    Then click the link titled "ORIGIN END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT" in the first box.
    Download the PDF.

    Scroll to the second page, in the first paragraph you'll still find the following sentence:

    "You acknowledge and agree that the Application may use information
    regarding your computer, hardware, media, software and your use of the
    Application to validate your license rights and to update the Application."

    Still there.
  • #10 Kaiser
    @hooby
    They removed that line from their EULA.
  • #9 AgentCelric
    jesus what the FUNK? ok, just deleted it.
    Thanks guys.
  • #8 hooby
    [quote=AgentCelric]What's these people's problems with Origin anyways? Just a launcher/download tool for EA games. I have a ton of their crap, so I use it all the time.[/quote]

    Origins EULA contains a clause that allows them to collect "information on computer, hardware, media and software". Since you can't have anything on your computer that is not hardware, media or software, they basically grant themselves the right to scan and collect everything.

    People have posted screenshots and videos showing how Origin.exe scans chatlogs, tax declarations, medical records, logs of banking software and similar things. EA claims those screens and vids are fake - the makers of the screens and vids posted explanations on how everyone can install sysinternals process explorer and check for themselves what Origin scans or not.

    No whether Origin really does scan random stuff on your hard-drive or not - which still isn't proven one or the other way - fact is that Origin's EULA still contains that clause that allows EA to scan whatever they want, with no limitations.

    I think it would be great if consumer backlash forced EA to change that EULA. If their claims - that they don't intend to scan anything besides installed graphics drivers and other statistical numbers - are true, they don't need that "we may scan ANYHTING"-clause anyways, so it shouldn't be a problem to turn it back a bit.

    They claim that their methods are industry standards - but actually their competitor steam has a monthly hardware survey, which asks the user if he wants to participate (every time), displays all information it is going to send - so the user can review it, and then sends that data - with the users consent. I don't believe that silently scanning stuff without limitation and without even telling the user what is being scanned, is the actual industry standard. I find that hard to believe.
  • #7 Convertible
    @AgentCelric:

    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/113970-EA-Germany-Origin-Is-Not-Spyware
  • #6 AgentCelric
    Well, since I can't edit my post, I'll tack on another. What's these people's problems with Origin anyways? Just a launcher/download tool for EA games. I have a ton of their crap, so I use it all the time.
  • #5 Hirakoshin
    "Origin Is 100% Not Needed For Tor" its staggering the amount of times they have to repeat this
  • #4 AgentCelric
    Some people will never change. I hope to god that Bioware will never give into these people and their undieing quest for balance and even...ness. If we wanted that kind of game with 'generic strike/heal/cc break' we'd all go back to playing Warcraft. That's what inevitably killed that game: normalization.
  • #3 Neutral
    Well said Kaiser.
  • #2 Jesserak
    @DarthKaiser Totally agree. But sadly people will always do it. I prefer to be patient and see for myself.
  • #1 Kaiser
    I love how it's all "theorycrafting" and yet, people have already started going into discussions over balance. You haven't even played the game yet! I'm all for theorycrafting early, trying to find what kind of gameplay suits you, but to actually start accusing a game of being unbalanced *before* you even try it is immaturity at its worst.
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