Darth Hater

While I am not really thrilled about the idea either, I don't think you can call it pay to win because you don't compete against other players in space combat, it is just a side game.

It is a slippery slope though and it does have me concerned.

So what?  If a person spends a bunch of money to play space missions, that is their choice.  Again space missions are a solo play mini game and have no bearing on the rest of the game nor do you play it with other players.  The whole point of playing the space missions is for your own enjoyment and to earn the ship parts to make it easier to do.  If you blow your wallet on it, then that player is just killing the challenge and really point of that minigame.  Good job, you bought high end ship gear and now it's trivial and pointless to play those space missions anymore.  Space missions are not even a good source of credits/coms as you get far more and faster doing dailies.

Also the player crafted ship parts added in this are better than these grade 7 parts, so any player with enough credits in game can just skip them already without "paying to win".

As long as they don't charge for endgame gear and pvp tier sets, few are going to really care or consider it pay to win.  Progression gear for endgame is what people are going to care about and what BW has to stay away from monetizing.

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Right.. Pay to Win is a better way of looking at it but you said "against other players".  You're not playing against other players in Operations either.

From what I've read most players would need the upgrades to effectively compete in the new missions.

There is competition in PvE.  You compete for first kills, you compete on the meters, and in some situations you compete for raid spots.

Space is just a side game, it is not the same thing.

I already said that I do not approve of this idea and I am worried that it is a stepping stone to worse things, but I still can't call it pay to win.  Yet.

And yes, they are necessary to do the new missions.  BUT you can get them all without spending a single coin.  I did, I got them all in game.

Space missions are a (complex) minigame.  Nobody gives a shit whether you're good or bad at space missions.

BW is just digging their hole deeper...

kinda disappointing that grade 7 ship parts are in market, when full access to space missions is supposed to be a subscriber perk.

Of course they are. I'm just pointing out that BW is disproportionately targeting subscribers with these items such that even though you're paying a sub, if you want the best parts for your ship right away, you have to buy CC. I'm sure you've seen the in-game prices for the items -- they require a rather long grind to acquire.

It also makes me inclined to see the new space missions not as an exciting/interesting challenge, but rather a simple ploy to make some extra $. Honestly, I'd rather not see new content in that light.

Then don't buy them?  All this content we knew was in the works earlier in the year before the game went F2P, so how this was turned into a money making scheme is a pretty stretch.  And if you buy the ship components you are basically killing the point of playing the missions in the first place.  Why would you trivialize the new content buy spending real money to basically skip past it?  It's your choice if you spend money on taking out the challenge and point of content.  I'll be content playing through the content and earning my ship rewards without spending a dime.