Darth Hater

I sincerely hope that with this new expansion have thought of: 1 introduce a system of secondary talent in order to change talents as needed ... 2 Introduce a system of management of equipment specializations (Tank, DPS, Healer, PVP ...) so that they can be recalled and put through a single dedicated icon and in one fell swoop.

I think that by adopting these improvements' s experience in game it is beneficial positively.

With Bioware's customary quest design often putting respawn timers on quest mobs and objects running in the minutes, I imagine the tedium of everyone trying to level to 55 at once will be spectacular even if people choose to group.

Such cheesy and transparent efforts to delay content consumption have made me weary of the game.

I am really looking forward to this.

SWOTR continues to serve as the model of exactly what not to do to run a successful MMO. I randomly came back here just to see what I've been missing, and literally laughed out loud when I saw they're packaging content they announced months ago as an 'expansion'. F2P clearly didn't get them the numbers they were hoping for, now all the sub'd die-hards have to pay even more for what was going to be just another spat of sub-par content patches.

Speaking of all those F2Ps out there, wonder what they're going to do when lvl. 55 hits? And what are the expanded subs gonna do when they can't use the F2Ps as filler for their lvl. 55 warzone and dungeon queues? Will SWTOR invent 'free-er to play'??

Seriously, is anyone actually excited about something called 'Rise of the Hutt Cartel' for a game in which the players have already dispatched the Supreme Mogul of said cartel?

I'll take the buggy pile of mismanaged nonsense that is Guild Wars 2 over this any day.

its very clear you haven't played swtor in a while we don't need f2p players to fill up wz and flashpoints there are plenty of subs.

And for all the subs who don't buy the xpac? He has a point where this will just break up the game more then it already is. And yes I am in shock at seeing so many just saying this is OK. a very small update and they charge 10 bucks to subs? This is not an xpac. An xpac has a bunch of new group content, has more then 1 quest area, no matter how big it might be, and I doubt it wil be any bigger then current planets. And when this was already made and said to just be an upcoming patch.  YOU ARE BEING TOLD YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR A PATCH. How is this OK with anyone?

It's $9.99 for subscribers. No MMOs have ever charged for a "patch"? Patch here = new content.

This is much more than just an expanded quest series. This is a major game changer. 5 new levels, new active abilities, and new abilities in the tree. PVP will need to be revamped on that alone just to balance out. Additionally, there is a whole new planet, not just a section of a planet, to play class and story quests on.

how do you know there will be no group content. we have verry few details

When all other games charge more then 10$ for an xpac, and how much Bioware has already lied to us about, I just find it shocking peopel think this will be a full fledged xpac like other MMOs have. It is not, it is what it is. They charged ya 25 for a god ugly festive snow blower, why do you assume this xpac is gonna be so big for 10 bucks, when before it was a F2P game, this was slated as just a patch, that was spose to be out by now as well. So they delay this patch 3-4 months, and slap a $10 price tag, and you trust them that they aren't trying to screw you? Stop drinking the kool aid man. What in their past has you trusting them so much? They have lied about so many thing ever since release.

I would hope it's clear that I haven't played in a while, since I said exactly that in the original post.

At any rate, are sub'd players tagged separate from f2p in-game? Do you honestly think this 'expansion' is going to bring more players to the game rather than drive more off, or at least to f2p?

Five new levels in a game where they've explicitly stated your current gear won't be completely out of date at 55 is hardly 'game changing'.

Mark my words, any PVP 'revamp' will consist of a new warzone, or a new Huttball map. Five levels will bring, what, two, three new abilities per class? A few talent points? You can't honestly think that necessitates or justifies a 'revamp', at least not to BW/EA. Given BW's release track record (up until last month), if the belief is that they're going to completely redesign anything, I hope no one expects anything but 'we've got this in the works' by the time Spring 2013 rolls around.

Also, a new 'planet' in this game basically amounts to what, two zones of content in any other? Hell, Rift has been flying under the radar for a year, has provided high-quality content updates basically every single month (almost any one of which equals the content included in this SWTOR update), and their first expansion tripled the size of the existing game world. All from a no-name dev and a built-from-scratch IP. I don't like to lump people into the 'Bio-drone' or 'Star Wars Nerd' categories, and I HATE the damn Kool-aid references, but sometimes I seriously have to wonder how people justify paying for a punch in the nose.

Am I (darth) hating on this game? Damn right. The biggest critics are often the biggest fans. I had high hopes, and continue to be massively disappointed, for no reason other than developer/distributor mismanagement. I'm the BW/Star Wars fan that holds the creator and created to a higher standard for it's own sake, as well as my own. I can't accept this failure because the player, BW as a company, the franchise doesn't need or deserve this kind of disappointment.

i realy love this game; maybe becouse it is my first mmo . i am loving the star wars stories; i never have done endgame stuff. all i want out of this game is a star wars rpg and it delivers on that part. 

Ya for a casual that will take years to go through content that is even out now, any MMO is good as long as you like the IP. For those of us who play MMOs at a high skill level, SWTOR falls flat, and this was def the final straw. Came back to do NiM EC with friends, but wont come back again when I need to shell out 10 bucks for things WoW gives for free. Give us a REAL xpac, or just give us patches, but this not a full xpac, not a small patch, it just reaks of money grab. And I am sorry, but at the end of the day, I like to support companies I can stand behind, and I just can't say I do that anymore with Bioware.

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Ya for a casual that will take years to go through content that is even out now, any MMO is good as long as you like the IP. For those of us who play MMOs at a high skill level, SWTOR falls flat, and this was def the final straw. Came back to do NiM EC with friends, but wont come back again when I need to shell out 10 bucks for things WoW gives for free. Give us a REAL xpac, or just give us patches, but this not a full xpac, not a small patch, it just reaks of money grab. And I am sorry, but at the end of the day, I like to support companies I can stand behind, and I just can't say I do that anymore with Bioware.

 

So far it just looks like a DLC pack.  And charging subscribers for it?  A joke.

Comparing it to another MMO - the size of this SWTOR expansion content is smaller than the 4.3 Dragon Soul patch for World of Warcraft - and the latter was free to subs. Subs having to pay even $5 for a mere small content patch is simply atrocious. And they wonder why this game died and lost all it's devs. EA will continue to milk this product till it dies its inevitable death. 

Man the company the Darth Hater Comments Section keeps. So many experts about PR and Gaming ploys and words other people supposedly said.