Darth Hater

Just a quick word about the Smuggler from the latest trailer.

I loved his style and the slo mo Jacket twirl, but would have liked a roll into cover or deployment of portable cover.....

Standing in the open and trading blaster fire is a trooper thing.

Other than that miniscule point, his part in the escape was great!!

Don't Gunslingers focus more on dual-wielding gunplay than cover? He looked like a Gunslinger to me anyways. Plus maybe he was in too much of a hurry to shoot it out from cover. And hiding behind cover's not very heroic. :P

The Smuggler was my favorite part though. Seems he's likely to be the Captain Nico Okarr mentioned on T7's bio page as a previous owner.

I understood Gunslingers to be the more likely of the two Smuggler sets to use cover.

Scoundrels have a focus on stealth and being close - less likely to be in cover so they can use that kick or scattergun - while Gunslingers will be at a distance behind a corner/box.

The trailer was the first time I actually thought - hmm, maybe I should be a smuggler.  As for the AC, I don't see stealth as necessarily meaning that it's a close range spec.

I think something that people will have to get used to is that stealth in SWTOR is not invisibility, mobs can see you within 5 yards, unless you approach from the side or behind. It will be possible to start combat with a backstab/ambush like ability for the scoundrel or shadow, but given how limited stealth will actually be, I'm thinking it will be a situational advantage, not a commonly used tool.

I think Stealth, even if they ultimately see you, will still be somewhat needed, just from the skills we've seen.  There are a lot of skills in the Scrapper tree and general Scoundrel powers that seem to require Stealth to use, or at the very least receive bonuses from it.

It'll probably work similar to cover, when you think about it.  With cover, you have to survey a room and figure out where you should set up before fighting.  The same will be true for Stealth, as you'll probably have to get good at noticing optimal angles for entering combat.

I think the point was he was wily, AND he was slingin some guns. Like a champ, not to mention the fact that there was also a jedi wielding a single blade and saber staff at the same time - which was definitely confirmed as not possible. These were characters from the universe, not supposed player characters so they don't have to be 100% representative of player capabilities.

All in all, it was a killer vid.

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Just a quick word about the Smuggler from the latest trailer.

I loved his style and the slo mo Jacket twirl, but would have liked a roll into cover or deployment of portable cover.....

Standing in the open and trading blaster fire is a trooper thing.

Other than that miniscule point, his part in the escape was great!!

I thought the same things regarding the shootout. It's the weakest part of the video.  Four enemy troopers and at least one "droideka" the smuggler took head up.  We know that movie drones are fodder with bad aim but even that stretches it too far.  If not cover then a roll into some posture changes while shooting would have been better.  Maybe blast one Sith troop into the others spoiling their aim, stumbling them?  Then he could just barrage the bunch of them down?  Honestly that pirouette he did in the hallway reminded me of spoofs of action movie gunfights.

His characterization was great, though.

Maybe they were too focused on the Jedi to worry about some lowly smuggler? Maybe they didn't expect him to charge at them head-on? Smugglers do have a thing for boldness.

What? No. Smugglers have a thing for staying out of trouble, you can't be a good smuggler if you contantly head into dangerous stuff. Thus I too found the smuggler in this video to be completely off the mark. Besides, there was only the Trooper around at the time, and he was busy dragging his buddyy to safety. An that flurry he performed... I got mental images of the Dragon Age mages...
Heck even his 'Han Solo' "Keep them off me" was a missed opportunity. He says it at the point when there are no more enemies attacking the ship, and he himself takes it through the superstructure of the Sith destroyer, and then enters hyperspace. He should have said it a lot earlier, about the time Satele and the Trooper enter the guns.

Honestly the only thing I liked about him was the checking out of the Twi'lek in the beginning. Very Smuggler'ish, as was his smug response to him having the only ship left. But from there it went to hell. He should have rolled to cover like all smugglers do (movie smugglers) then quickly pick off the attackers. It would be a lot cooler that HE was bright enough to seek cover while the Sith Troopers were too stupid to do the same, and thus would pay the price for that folly. Instead we got some poor 80s port. All he needed was a hipshot.

Maybe I misundertand the class, but I thought Smugglers were all about being smarter, more sneaky and more underhanded than their enemies. This guy was none of that.

Remember in ANH when Han chased some stormies around the Death Star and ran straight into a room filled with hundreds of them? That's the boldness I speak of. Han was just running blindly after stormtroopers, screaming with what looked like nerves of steel. He then nearly dropped a load when he saw the room full of stormies he chased them in to.

He chased them because they fled. He didn't charge them under his own volition so to speak. He merely went with the flow, as he always did. If the enemy attacked, he evaded, ducked, headed for cover or plain old ran for his life. If the enemy fled, he chased after them in an effort to make sure they didn't return with friends or simply to keep them off guard. Han was after all a military man as well as a Smuggler (Corellian Bloodstripes, highly ranked at the Caridan Academy).

In any case, Han's single little mad dash was nothing like the Smuggler walking down a tunnel at a group of madly firing troops. By the way, why on Coruscant does he actually move towards them? He is trying to get away, get to his ship, but instead heads away for no suitable reason. If he had been running down the tunnel to get to some cover, his movement would have made sense, but walking like some 'walking away from explosion' scene made absolutely no sense, and I'm surprised at how people find this to be cool and the Smuggler to be spot on etc. HE ISN'T A SMUGGLER! He is a dumbass with more luck than sense. Just think if the Sith troops had been elite commandos he would have been decked after firing only a few shots. Lucky him the Sith didn't attack the station with their best troops eh.

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Maybe they were too focused on the Jedi to worry about some lowly smuggler? Maybe they didn't expect him to charge at them head-on? Smugglers do have a thing for boldness.

If there had been Jedi nearby, then yes I would agree.  But it's just Smuggler walking tall with blasters at that moment.  But hmmm, ....here it is...If Wyatt Earp could survive the Iron Springs Ambush, and Lt. Ron Spears (Band of Brothers) could run through enemy lines and back, both unscathed in real life, then I guess 'Return' would be that moment for ol Captain Okarr :)  I'm happy now.  Yay, Smuggler!  (I just hope they don't overdo it).

I forgot to mention, I thought that flying through the inside of the Sith battleship was a very cool move.  Who needs shields when there's millions of tons of metal protecting your ship from enemy fighters?  Hyperjumped and gone.

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If there had been Jedi nearby, then yes I would agree.  But it's just Smuggler walking tall with blasters at that moment.  But hmmm, ....here it is...If Wyatt Earp could survive the Iron Springs Ambush, and Lt. Ron Spears (Band of Brothers) could run through enemy lines and back, both unscathed in real life, then I guess 'Return' would be that moment for ol Captain Okarr :)  I'm happy now.  Yay, Smuggler!  (I just hope they don't overdo it).

I forgot to mention, I thought that flying through the inside of the Sith battleship was a very cool move.  Who needs shields when there's millions of tons of metal protecting your ship from enemy fighters?  Hyperjumped and gone.

Earp was ambushed, he would never have put himself in that position had he had a choice. Similarly in Band of Brothers, which does tend to be a bit incredible at times (though it is consistent in the Germans not knowing how to shoot nor having any tactical sense), The LT charges back and forth because he feels he has to. He doesn't generally put himself in such situtions for no reason. And might I point out that he is perhaps the most nutty character of them all.

Alright, I'll agree that the evasive maneuver through the destroyer is bright, and fairly cool. It is in fact a very Smuggler'ish move. He adapts to a very special situation by doing a strange thing that keeps the Sith off guard as well as it protects his ass. He acts in the way we would expect a Smuggler to behave. I get images of Han's 'trashdump escape'.
I just take objection to his very late comment that doesnt seem to fit anything.

My examples are about real life people miraculously surviving enemy fire with no cover, like that smuggler.   Ambush or "feeling he has to" is not the point.  In comparison, it's the real life examples that have the lower chance of survival *because* one was an ambush and in the other Spears didn't shoot back (and he ran through twice!).  Okarr wasn't surprised and he was shooting back.  Two troops just got blasted next to him.  Maybe he "feels he has to" go heads up to survive.  That was a long hallway to run away in.  "I'd prefer a straight-up fight to all this running around".  Some Guy on the Death Star  :)

The scene could have been better, yes.  But remembering that stranger shootouts have happened in real life makes a better case for it.

Okarr's demand for cover wasn't late.  It fits the fact that at least two fighters were behind the ship before he calls out.  One fighter passes in front, the other shoots then crashes.  Either way nothing's wrong with a heads up so close to the getaway.