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cliff notes if you cant retreive it.
NZXT H2 on amazon - case (comes in white or black, both $99 free shipping if you choose amazon as seller)
Ripjaws X for ram. you can get 4x4GB 16GB kit and split between computers. It has Intel XMP profile & better ramsinks then regular Ripjaws.
560 (non Ti) for vid card - then ebay the Batman codes when the game comes out sometime in oct. should be able to get $20 or $25 w/o a problem.
GIGABYTE GV-N56GOC-1GI GeForce GTX 560 has a rebate & a good HSF
or you can go cheap on the vid card, NCIX has a Powercolor 6850 for $110 AR. That's almost as fast as a GTX 460.
you can go cheaper on the mobo; newegg has the ASUS P8P67 EVO (which is a good mobo) w/ a rebate making it $150. there's a combo deal w/ the 2500k for $20 off too.
the MSI mobo flem1 rec'd is very good though.
Oh the antec nine hundred is on sale at newegg for $70 AR. that's a good case, but not quiet. if you dont run the fans it shouldn't be loud though. i'd spend the extra for the H2 though.
think i got it all. good luck!
- 10/2/2011 6:13:01 PM Posted in: Proxy Jawas
10/2/2011 6:08:46 PM
Dover,Posted in: Proxy Jawas
looks like some combos have been deactivated. newegg does that sometimes.
NCIX has the 2500k for $200 right now
as far as the vid card, a step down from the 560 Ti in price but not a big step down in performance would be the Radeon HD 6950 which i've seen as low as $180. Unfortunately the one that was $190 isn't on sale anymore.
another option is the HD 6850 which is just a tad slower than the 460 OCed that you can get it for $110 AR
if you go 460 I'd recc the MSI Hawk; it's the best one & has a $30 rebate right now making it $140
but even 140 is so close to 170 where you could get a GTX 560 (non Ti) which is essentially a tuned up more efficient turbocharged 460.
The 560 also comes w/ ("+ Free Gift: NVIDIA Gift - BATMAN Arkham City Game Coupon (value:$49.99)) which you could sell on ebay for $20-30 when the game comes out in Oct.
So that really makes it about the same price as the 460.
The 6850 will last you until next year when Kepler (nV's new card series) & Southern Island (AMD/ATi's new series) comes out, but the 560 will have longer legs & give you the option of forgoing an upgrade longer. The 560 youll have an easier time finding a cheap card to SLi with if you decide to go that route since the 460 will be 2 generations old by that point. e.g. There's only 1 card for sale on newegg in the 200 series (the series before 400 series).
Since you're likely going to be just replacing the card though, i would suggest a nV card so you can re-use it as dedicated PhysX card. So the 560 is my suggestion. I'm suggesting the Gigabyte because it's gotten good reviews for it's HSF efficiency & silence.
You can save money on the case too; the Sonata SOLO II while great is hardly ever on sale because of it's niche (quiet PCs). It looks like the NZXT H2 is out of stock now; but amazon has it for $99 w/ free shipping. The H2 isn't quite as good as the SOLO II but it's close & saves you $100.
(http://www.amazon.com/Technologies-Classic-Midtower-Chassis-CS-NT-H2-W/dp/B004XIB8RY - white version, have to choose amazon as seller for free shipping
(http://www.amazon.com/Technologies-Classic-Midtower-Chassis-CS-NT-H2-B/dp/B004ULYPVK - black version
you could get one of each and have a "light side" & "dark side" pc lol
If you don't mind fan noise the Antec Nine Hundred is $70 AR w/ free shipping now. That's a well made case, but by no means quiet. Though technically you could just not connect the fans & as long as your component's fans don't have to run fast it wont be loud.
as for motherboards, that's the #2 thing you don't want to skimp on. if you don't need the z68 chipset (which imo you really don't intel's said ivy bridge will work on P67 too w/ an update & you're not using quicksynch or intels IGP), you can get a good P67 for about $50 less saving u a net $100.
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131704 - this one has a 12+2 phase VRM so it will give enough clean power to OC your CPU w/o problems.
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.738299 - that's as a combo w/ 2500k makes the 2500k $200 same as NCIX but w/ free shipping.
That MSI flem1 suggested (Z68A-GD65) is excellent however & i would take it over that ASUS.
it's hard to chop away at the prices w/o finding sales. because value diminishes below this point.
Quote fromQuote fromwell, unfortunately I got some pushback from my wife about the cost. I want to make sure I get a good setup, but the setup in newegg is pushing $2400 with shipping. I took all of your suggestions at heart and put this list together.
(wishlist is being stupid)
Here is a parts list, based on the i5...
Including cases and one copy of windows this is $2400. What can be trimmed or paired down to reduce cost that I can easily mod in later? (if anything)
(edit: I just bought the copy of windows and the two powersupplies because of the deal so those are definitely coming regardless)
the 16gb ram is going to be split between 2 computers right? If not then you don't need that much ram for one computer.
Don't buy the bundled cpu and video card because you can usually find it cheaper sperately
like your cpu for $150 (http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0354589
and video card $229 cheaper with a $30 rebate and Batman Arkham city (http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0356003
A cheaper motherboard would be better as well. There's very little performance difference between a $100 and $200 motherboard. You could also probably benefit from getting a cheaper case as well
that's assuming he lives near a microcenter. don't forget you have to drive there + also pay tax. Their CPU & mobo deals are usually in store only.
& that zotac card is going to run hot & loud. For a 560 Ti it would be the gigabyte for $205AR at newegg right now. (sales change so fast my reccs keep changing too lol)
Btw, there's literally no difference to the computer between Ripjaws and Ripjaws X. Only the heatsink shape and price are different.
the ripjaws x series is cheaper, has larger heatsinks, & is Intel XMP ready. The regular isn't. That's why i reccd the x.
also, for about the same price as a 460 he can get the 560 (non Ti) considering it comes w/ a game he should be able to ebay for $20 (Batman that comes out this month).
or there's the ATi route, 6950s have been going for about 180-200 on sale. newegg had one for $190 AR a couple days ago. That would give about a 30-50% boost in minimum FPS (the most important thing for eliminating any choppies) with a 25-45% boost in maximum FPS.
9/30/2011 1:37:22 AM
Posted in: Proxy JawasQuote fromThanks for all the advice guys. The 1k did not include monitors.
I would like to get the rigs up now because I might be moving soon and will need to get them up and running before that happens. I also do have a need for a better rig soon for the sake of playing PC games, so I would rather not wait.
Thank you for the suggestions Karayne (and the e-mail) all the newegg links are golden because I order all my parts through them so simple links make my day easier
TTDG - freak'n wow. There was a time about ten years ago when I would have been on board with everything. Now I'm in my thirties and a simple writer; so while I can build a computer from parts, the deeper info sizzles over my head like a commercial jet.
I would like to actually place my newegg order tonight when I get home from work (8 hours from the time of this post). If anyone else (or anyone who already has) is up for it, throw together a simple parts list and I'll do my comparing and ordering. Hopefully by tomorrow they will all be in route.
I understand that waiting is probably better (it is really always better), but I just can't right now. I've been putting it off for six months as it is.
I pretty much agree w/ most of what flem1's saying. If you absolutely have to buy today, the i5 is better than anything AMD offers. However I disagree on the 990FX being built for Thuban; it was specifically designed around Zambezi (aka Bulldozer aka AMD FX), it's just that AM3+ happens to be backwards compatible w/ AM3 CPUs (Thuban). AM3+ is going to be around until AM4, which won't happen until DDR4 arrives. Essentially, Piledriver (next step after BD, sort of like Ivy Bridge is a incremental step from the current intel chips) will work in 990FX mobos natively.
I'm partly torn however, because you can get the same build I'm recommending for Bulldozer, but stick in a cheap Phenom II X2 & unlock it to a X4 (simple option in bios) which you could then ebay for about $40-50 making the net cost $30-40. But that is a bunch of extra work & there's no telling how much better the AMD FX chips will be. Honestly I cant see them being slower though, especially at the price point since AMD knows their performance and almost always prices their chips lower at the same performance level as intel.
Personally I'm waiting for Bulldozer because I was burned by buying a dual core right before quads came out; and 6 months later my games ran like crap so I had to upgrade again a lot sooner than i wanted. The new Xbox & Playstaiton will likely come out next year & the last models had 6 & 8 cores; which is partially why computer games started relying much more on parallel processing, that is using more cores in parallel (multiple platform game engines). So if these new consoles have double that & game developers start making engines for even more parallel computing that will move over into the PC space as well.
As far as TOR goes though, that uses the [url=http://www.redrancor.com/index.php?page=swtor_engine]HERO engine[/url], which is designed for PC & has been in development a long time; so an i5 should be paired great for it.
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K
MSI N560GTX-TI Twin Frozr II/OC GeForce GTX 560 Ti
$16 off with bundle. Twin Frozr II has $20 rebate, 2 free games & free shipping. Also it's very good HSF (heatsink/fan).
This is a better combo deal IMO, because you can get windows w/ that $20 off coupon code until 10/3.
That MSI mobo flem1 recc'd is great for OCing; if you spend the extra $ on that (vs a P67 which is almost the same thing minus one or two things) you should def get the Noctua cooler so you can take advantage of the mobo. No point in spending $200 on a mobo that can high high OC but then have inadequate cooling so your OC is limited by CPU heat.
re: the SSD caching. If you want to use the SSD for TOR you're almost certainly going to want to have TOR installed on the SSD. MMOs tend to be heavy on random access which caching isn't the best for; especially in a 40GB game. The HERO engine is also supposed to use a push update system which should make for larger access time on a standard drive vs SSD in being that the head has to travel farther & it's more random. My recommendation for a SSD would be either the Crucial M4 or the upcoming Samsung 830 series; the current sandforce based drives (OCZ, Corsair, Patriot, Mushkin, etc..) have reliability problems. 128GB is the sweet spot, 60GB you lose a lot of performance & youre also going to be cutting it close installing TOR & Windows on it. The M4 128GB is $185 on amazon right now, not the best price i've ever seen it but still a good price.
Oh, and its the G.Skill Ripjaw X series you should get, there's also a regular Ripjaw too. If you want 16GB newegg sells a cheaper kit (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231429
You'll want at least 8GB, many people will tell you you only need 4; but your graphics card can & will benefit from the extra system memory in games.
9/29/2011 10:41:09 AM
I just want to know how they work.Posted in: SWTOR News
City of Heroes had a badge system. If you right clicked on some1 and read their profile you could see all their badges. I wonder if TOR will be like that.
CoH also had accolades, wherein you had to get a certain number of badges and then you could unlock novelty powers or abilities. Or else get a small bonus to some stat or another. I was never in favor of the stat boost, but a novelty power would be fun.
9/29/2011 6:19:25 AM
edit: nm fixedPosted in: Proxy Jawas
9/29/2011 4:43:23 AM
Posted in: Proxy JawasQuote fromok guys, need some help and I honestly don't have time to sift through this entire forum thread.
I need to get two new computers (one for me, one for my wife) and I want them to be great but I don't need everything to be top of the line right now. Here are my thoughts. (keep in mind I need two of everything)
I would like to get really nice cases, motherboards, RAM, and CPUs with just "good" graphics cards, power supplies, HDs and everything else. The basic idea is I want the skeleton to be great so I can just mod up for the next couple years without worrying about new rigs each time.
I don't want to spend more then $1k per machine, and anything less would be great. I know there are better cards coming "soon" so I am happy with a decent card now and upgrade to god-like later.
I also need to look into monitors (only one per rig, no dualies here), so if anyone has ones they like I would love to hear it.
for $1k a machine you dont have to compromise anything. that goes a loooong way these days.
Here's my build suggestion for your 2 rigs.
Wait until Oct 19. AMD's new FX CPUs come out then.
But, right now i suggest you buy 2 of these power supplies. They are TOP NOTCH. Silent, perfect high quality build quality, under rated (they say 650 but they can go up to 800 easy, not that you'd need that much, all high quality japanese caps, etc..) $70 off right now
SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold
review: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story5&reid=169 (Jonny Guru is the best PSU reviewer on the net)
you do NOT want to cheap out on a PSU. it can kill your computer if it goes bad. good stable power also makes it more reliable.
You will also want to buy some UPS surge protectors for your computers too. Do not trust a standard surge protector strip. APC makes great ones.
AMD FX 8150 - 8 core 3.6 GHz (4.2Ghz turbo) $250
Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 1.2 (http://www.guru3d.com/news/gigabyte-reelases-990fxaud3-12-motherboard/
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231428
Antec Sonata Series SOLO II Black Aluminum / Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129177
or a little cheaper
NZXT H2 H2-001-BK Black Steel / Plastic Classic Silent ATX Mid Tower Chassis (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146072
PNY GeForce GTX 560 Ti (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133380
Noctua NH-D14 120mm & 140mm SSO CPU Cooler (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608018
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185
SAMSUNG S27A350H ToC Rose Black 27" 2ms Full HD HDMI LED BackLight LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 DCR 1,000,000:1 (1,000:1)
COSTCO has this for $300, actually it's like $270 right now i think with some instant coupon. Very good low input lag, good colors, 27" 1080p monitor & has a very very low rate of dead or stuck pixels.
The AMD FX series should be the best value for performance, as well as have some long legs since it has 8 cores & will scale with future games when they start using more and more cores.
The Gigabyte board should be hitting stores soon. It uses realtek for it's lan & sound, which is the best right now aside from dedicated cards. Also uses japanese caps & lowRDS(on) mosfets as well as a copper layer in the mobo to keep it cool & reliable. has 4 16x PCIe 2.0 lanes and they say they're PCIe 3.0 ready (though thats a long ways away)
The new antec sonata SOLO II is just about the most silent consumer level case made right now. If you value having quiet machines that's a great investment.
The NZXT H2 is very close to the SOLO II in silence; and $65 less right now. So you may want to go that route too.
The G.Skill Ripjaw X are an excellent value for their price. Depending on when you buy you may find a better value for ram. But you will want at least DDR3 1600 and at most 1.5V ram.
The 560 Ti should be able to run TOR at high with a good framerate; and it will last you until the generation after the upcoming one. So essentially until early 2013. Then you will be able to recycle it as a dedicated PhysX card.
OR since the 990FX mobo chipset allows SLi, you can add another later when they get cheaper. They scale very very well & that antec or NZXT case will still keep them quiet.
The Noctua D-14 is THE best air cooling solution out. I know it looks expensive but it will last FOREVER, those fans are noctua's own fluid dynamic design. completely silent, perfectly balanced. Their craftsmanship is unmatched as well. The heatpipes are even soldered to the fins. Noctua also has great customer service. If a newer mobo design comes out they will send you a kit to fit it for free; so this cooler should last you at least your next two or three computers.
It also gives you the option to overclock your CPU if you want. All the FX CPUs will be unlocked, which means you can up the multiplier to run it faster. Since this cools so well you can overclock your CPU and still keep it running icey cold. Noctua also includes their thermal paste which IMO is just as good as Arctic Silver (which usually runs $15 alone).
All of that should be just under $1,100. Less if any of it's on sale. Don't forget the rebates too. That setup will last you until early 2013 when you can upgrade your vid cards. Or if you want, you can just throw another 560 Ti in the middle of next year when they'll be around $140 and double your FPS.
Oh, I almost forgot. You'll need Windows too if you dont have a copy.
Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit is the one you'll want. Pro & Ultimate have nothing you're going to need or use since you're not doing networking ad sysadminning. But you want Premium instead of Home Basic because of Aero.
[b]Newegg actually has it on sale right now w/ a coupon code EMCKAHC56 ($20 off) for $79 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986 . You only need 1 copy for both your computers contrary to what MS would like you to believe. MS doesn't really throw up any flags until they see it being run on 5 different computers.
So right now, I would say get the Seasonic PSU & Windows. They're on sale. (you have to buy some computer component to buy OEM windows though, so buy it in the same checkout as the PSU)
I would also recommend going to COSTCO (if one is near you hopefully) and getting that monitor. I think you can get a 1 day pass for free. $270 is a killer deal.
You can also try getting another place to pricematch it too. If they need a flyer, just stop at Costco and say you didn't bring your flyer can you have one and they always have tons behind the counter to give you no questions asked. The price is in it.
These things are not going to be outdated & are a bargain right now. Dont let it pass you by, because when it comes time to build you'll regret it.[/b]
9/28/2011 8:29:04 AM
Will the Light Side answer always be the top response, the grey the middle, and the dark the bottom? (on the conversation reticle)Posted in: General Discussion
I ask, because sometimes they all sound the same & I want to make sure I'm going LS or DS depending on the char.
9/28/2011 8:26:03 AM
that would seem to make the most sense since they are alterations of biological species.Posted in: Feature
As a Juggernaut, I would like to be as inhuman as possible. The more of my sith dude i can replace with metal & computers the better.
9/28/2011 8:22:53 AM
wait what? isn't diablo 3 basically just a regular old rpg? what does a market have to do w/ it?Posted in: Proxy Jawas
now im imagining playing Left 4 Dead with my friends and in between levels it's asking me to input my credit card to pick up the health pack.
9/28/2011 8:17:36 AM
Posted in: Proxy JawasQuote fromHey everyone, just a quick question will this:
Processor: Dual core E5300 @ 2.60 GHZ
Graphics card: NIVIDIA GeForce GT 220
Run SWTOR, thats all I need to know :D
the GPU is your main problem. You could also benefit from more ram, you should have 4GB at least.
for around $50 bucks after rebate you can double your graphics
or for around $90 you can triple
and about $30 to bring you to 4GB ram
or if you have 1 stick now, then add 1 more so you have dual channel
So for about $80 you can double your graphics
and $120 you can triple.
not that much considering how much better the game will run.
p.s. anything more than this is overkill since your cpu will bottleneck
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